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Post Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:48 pm

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Just a few hours ago, Infinity ward has announced some huge news for any clans/PC gamers out there. They have announced that they will not be allowing dedicated servers for PC clans. Meaning if you want a server for your clan, forget about it. If you want to have clan matches, scrims, custom maps or custom mods, skin packs. Forget about it. Will this be the end of COD for PC. I don't think so. But I do know with news like this, they are going to be loosing millions in sales and maybe some of there best modders/mappers that kept COD4 going as it is now. Personally, I think this is the worst move IW ever did and I think it would be best to put it back on, even if you have to release the game a few months later.

As follows is a list of reasons why I think PC gamers/PC clans want the dedicated server back.

  • Having it so PC gamers can run there own server, give them the ability to police there servers, kick or ban and trouble makers, and keep servers that are clean, fair, and fun.
  • Giving map makers the ability to create some more maps rather then waiting for the creators to come out with more maps. Which may never happen.
  • Giving modders the ability to create different mods that keep server more interesting rather then being stuck playing 4 - 5 style types which will get boring after a while.
  • Allowing clans to have private matches, or tournaments, even scrims.
  • Allowing a community build between friends to form a groups and have the ability to play together on servers of there choice.


There are more but right now I just cant think of any. I know some console players have been saying that PC gamers are crying because they are making the PC version of the game more like the console gamers. I say this to all that think like some of the console people I already talked to.

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What you fail to realize, is its the PC gamers that write mods and what not in which these game designers get idea's and see what is liked and not liked in which can be added into there new games they are coming out. Many advances in games can be thanks to the community that supported them in making different mods and keeping the games alive. By not allowing this, PC gamers will continue to work, but on games that allow them to do this and by that, it is what will make the games for console gamers not progress as much as they would if PC modders weren't around.

Do you really think games such as RTCW and Quake would have survived as long as they did if it wasn't for the modders? I think not. So for you to say something like that just goes to show that people will speak just to be heard, even when they have no idea of truth of what is being discussed and why people are upset.

Sorry for you console players that don't get the options and additions like the PC gamers get, but its us, the community of gamers that do it for our selves, not Infinity Ward or Actvision. Its us that put in the hours creating maps, modding the game to keep it more interesting. If you can't understand that, then buy a PC that can handle it and see for your self or just be quiet.


If you like to know more. Please go to IW site and read this thread.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123824

The petition is here

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

If all you will post is bashing in replies to this, then be respectful and bit your tongue and talk in a respective manor.
 

 
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Post Re: Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:08 pm

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I have cancelled my pre-order of MW2 after hearing this news this morning...

Its going to be a XBox 360 console port, just like Far cry 2, Red Faction Guerrillas and most recently Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising... Ubisoft, THQ, Codemasters and now Infinity Ward, There all doing it so it must be the new trend...

I hated Far cry 2, It should have never never been called Farcry 2, because it had not one resemblance of the original Far cry, it was a big money making publicity stunt to make serious $$$... RFG wouldn't even save on my PC so I returned it for a refund again it was a seriously bad console port, and OFDR is just a cheesy crappy console port as well the multiplayer is just worthless not even worth loading just pointless ...

There blaming it on the Warez scenes Ubisoft quoted 90% of there game titles are of warez nature, and they know that for who ever downloads a warez version is never going to buy the original version.

I don't think they will change there mind, they will make serious $$$ just from the console versions, and its far easier to port the PC version over from a pre made console version it saves money for them and they arnt bothered if it gets warezed because it hardly cost them that much, which they will recoup from the idiots who buy it.

Im sticking well clear until I read some dam good reviews this time Sad
 

 
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Post Re: Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:30 pm

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I cancelled it also. If anything, I think the Warze will be greater then ever. The path they are taking is not a way to stop it. point of proof is L4D. As for them making serious $$$ off the console. I dont think they will for most of there pre orders are already dropping. The clans from COD4 have been backing off and now not going to support the game. I for one was excited about the game. but me and members in my clan already said that we will not support the game nor buy into it.

Other clans I am associated with, have already canceled there pre orders and the amount of pr they are getting on this and how nothing good is being said will probably deture others from buying into it. don't get me wrong, they will probably sell a good amount, but after finding out how much this is hurting them in sales and a loyal community that made them, they might put it back, considering in an interview with one of the owners, he said that there were no changes to the MP on PC. COD MW was going to stay true to how its always been.

I guess he just made a hypocrite out of him self.
 

 
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Post Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:11 pm

Wow thats some news looks like all these new games are ports and having no dedicated servers look at OF2 the MP side is pants. This will make more people download it just to play the single player rather than buying the game for a valid MP key.

Their have shot them self in the foot here big time.
 

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Post Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:51 pm

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Yea i heard about this also today and it kinda sucks for all you PC gamers and whats more they may be teaming up with steam for newer game releases [currently in talks] But i suppose one thing you have to cross your fingers for is the fact that this is only a demo run to see how it goes and when they realize what they have done to the PC community of gaming they will release a patch to put it back to old school [this was said by fourzerotwo].

In a way i am glad i dont play games on the PC anymore cause this would have been the icing on the cake but seems as though i am a xbox 360 guy none of the above affects me much but i still feel for all those PC gamers out there as i once was one a while ago.

As for the warez/torrent seen music and films industries have already made a massive clamp down on illegal downloading as i found out lol, What they are doing is placing there own trackers on there products and even tracking others then any one that is downloading from that tracker will get a warm hearted letter from your broadband supplier telling you do it again and face the fine and possible prison sentence off course it depends on what the laws are in your own country for downloading this stuff cause i know one guy got 18 months in jail for this and a $50.000 fine

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Post Re: Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:20 am

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Well, I just listened to the Bash and Slash, and everything will be controlled by iwnet and all the servers hosted there, and connecting will be done through match making just like L4D uses, which is absolutely terrible. My thinking is that if they are going to run it similar to L4D, then it will die. L4d match making sucks, IMO.

I am thinking that people will have terrible pings about 80% of the time. I know I do on L4D as well as some of my friends. Overall, I think the system is not a bad one, but overall I think they should have left in the ability to have the dedicated server rather then do a complete removal of it. Crying Crying Crying
 

 
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Post Re: Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:40 am

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one thing you have to cross your fingers for is the fact that this is only a demo run to see how it goes and when they realize what they have done to the PC community of gaming they will release a patch to put it back to old school [this was said by fourzerotwo].


Im not buying the game though until ive seen in the forums what people are saying about it, and I wont buy the game until they do patch it Dont Know

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Post Re: Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:33 pm

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I agree that I will not purchase till they get it in there minds that this change is not for the better.
 

 
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Post Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:13 pm

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Me and all my m8's have canceled our orders as well. This is a very bad day for the PC gamers of what we thought was going to be a awesome game Sad
 

 
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Well, after 2 days since the bad news hit the COD MW community, 83,000+ signatures have been placed in the petition for them to add in the dedicated service. Robert Bowling, aka 402, has said that he has seen the response to this announcement he has made a few days ago and with the amount of signatures to the petition, he will personally make sure that everyone will see the out cry from there PC community to bring back what rightfully we deserve in a game.



To rewrite our history and take away the one thing that makes us, the PC gamer who we are is not right. We the community of mappers, modders, graphic artist ask for the ability to have the dedicated servers so we can improve on what they give us.

Hope IW see's this as a serious problem and tries to correct it. Please, sign the petition if you like to help out.



I will keep this up to date with the latest information as soon as it comes in and gets to me.
 

 
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Post Infinityward killing the cod series? Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:23 am

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Whats sad is they say that they are doing it for the new people mostly. But they fail to realize is that there are people out there that like playing against better players, in light that they may pick up a few tricks of the trade so to say. They are also removing one of the drives for new dev's to get in the game and learn more about there trade.

I was talking to my 13 year old nephew today and he is no hardcore gamer. he plays once and a while on my PC under my name and plays against people I known for a while now, and he was telling me that its not about being good or better, but being able to play with the same community of players that he has come to know and respect. He brought up that he disliked the fact that if you wanted to play with certian people, instead of being able to go to there clan server, he would have to play with random people he does not know and have the risk of them being rude because there will be no admins policing the raciest/rude comments that happen on server of what they are looking at doing.

He also asked me why for this, and the best reason I could give is not that BS that IW is giving, I feel that its no longer about the gaming experience and the enjoyment of the product that they are putting out there, its all about the money. They are looking at any way they can make a buck rather to stick to there roots and produce a quality product. I also feel that they are more afraid of the modders and mappers coming out with better quality of game play they have have originally intended, but its not really about the better experience, since the mods wouldn't be what they are without there product, but more of keeping the interest of the game alive and there. I originally started playing PC games when RTCW 1.0 came out. with in a few months I got bored and went to another game. When i came back to RTCW a few years later, I ended up going to a clans server that was strictly sniping. After playing on that server, I was hooked. I ended up joining the clan shortly after that and to my learning's, came to find out that it was just a test clan and a test server to see what kind of draw it would bring. With in 2 months, our servers were full 24/7 and sometimes you had to wait an hour before getting on. We survived all the way to 2008 running that mod and making improvements to it. Shortly after that we left and came to COD4 and I met {PST}Joker and he helped me get the mod that we have now, and in trade I helped him fix a few bugs with there site that was bugging him.

But we as a clan would have never came to COD4 if it wasn't for the ability to have us a sniping server. and from that that is where we have our sniping tournaments and scrims. Now they are taking that ability away I feel that my clan will not survive with MW2 and for us, we are graciously backing out of it and not going to support it, we will stick with COD4 and maybe, move to another game all together that allows us the freedom of what is means to have a PC game.




Here is a little snippet from Game Informer.

Modern Warfare fansite bashandslash.com recently reported that Infinity Ward is removing dedicated server functionality from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. With dedicated servers and the server browser that comes with them replaced with custom-built matchmaking, PC gamers will have an online experience functionally identical to console players. Among other things, this means that clans can't run their own servers with their own mods and rulesets for their own private (or public, if they feel like crushing some scrubs for giggles) use.

Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth that would make the Left 4 Dead community proud. An online petition to bring back dedicated servers at the time of this writing stands at 100,000+ signatures. However -- and this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community. Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella explain the decision as a conscious effort to improve their game for the vast majority of their players.

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle (IW has cited numbers of people online playing illegal copies of Modern Warfare up to 60 percent). "The Steam stuff helps with the piracy. I don't know that the matchmaking stuff does," he notes. West takes a shot at the motives behind some of the outrage, noting that there's money to made by selling dedicated servers and adspace on them: "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

Again and again during our conversation, West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see. Clans can set up private matches to do their training or what have you; all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such. Infinity Ward sees the addition of solid matchmaking and community support like IW-run tournaments to the PC as a huge win, and not something that could be done under the old system.

Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, stating that it would just "bifurcate the community."


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I agree with your nephew, there is nothing better than jumping into a server full of your friends and getting on TS and having a good laugh... your not going to be able to do that no more...

Its not only IW that are removing these simple features, its unfortunate that they have been the target.

Here is the last 3 games I have purchased for the PC

  • Farcry 2 (Ubisoft) XBox 360 Console Port Multiplayer was unplayable no dedicated server support.
  • Red Faction Guerilla (THQ) XBox 360 Console Port Single player would not save and the Multiplayer had no dedicated server support
  • Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising (Codemasters) XBox 360 Console Port Single Player finished in less than 6 hours, Multiplayer had no dedicated server support.


So it seems all games companies are going down the same avenue, you can see the pattern... Make the games on Console first that being XBox 360 and then port the other games, It hasn't helped that piracy is rife in the PC community either

Ubisoft reported recently that 90% of there games played are warezed versions (no idea how they got that statistic) they also said that there is no point spending money on the PC Dev teams if a game is going to be warezed so badly. I don't see why the decent people in the PC community should be kicked out of enjoyment of a game just because of these hackers... we pay good money for PC Games, so why shoot us down.

The only alternative is to just not buy it, and they will stop making PC titles all together
 

 
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